Anyways. Sam said:
Sam wrote:If God works through saints, why doubt what they can do? It's obviously not them themselves, but WHO is working through them.
Christian wrote:But Sammy, don't you believe that all Christians are saints? What makes some people a special class of Christian?
The Foolish One contorted:
PF wrote:ARE YOU NUTS!?! Oh wait, it's you, Christian... Yeah, you are nuts.
Ahem. It really is true that not everyone is a saint according to the Catholic meaning of the word, which is someone who has been officially recognized as a saint for performing miracles. Not everyone performs miracles. Which is fine. It doesn't make them a lesser Christian, necessarily. It merely means they obviously do not receive recognition for the special act of performing miracles as they are not known to have done any. (The miracles have to be after death.)
And if you happen to have your own little definition, that's cute. But the Catholic Church canonizes saints, not you.
Words mean specific things. You cannot change their meaning because you dislike it. And THAT is what a saint means, buster. And as a Catholic I happen to appreciate and love them for being tortured, martyred, stoned, writing incredibly beautiful theology, suffering illnesses and through painful stigmatas, being burned at the stake... For God. I think that's all quite commendable. And no, not all Christians have done that. Not everyone is Saint. I am not. You are not. We and the masses do not deserve the honor of sainthood. Got it?
I apologize for going off on you. You hit a nerve, though I realize it was unintentional. Please realize I consider you kind and intelligent as person, I merely consider that statement, though you meant well, utterly revolting.
So.... obviously there is disagreement here.
First of all, I don't believe I'm the one who is using "my own little definition." While yours may not be original to you, it is definitely extra-biblical. I challenge you to name me one place in Scripture where a saint is defined exclusively as "someone who has been officially recognized as such for performing miracles." The definition I use comes from the multiple times that the Apostle Paul calls all Christians, collectively, saints.
1 Corinthians 1:2 = "the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours."
Acts 9:13 = "I have heard from many about this man [Saul of Tarsus], how much harm he did to Thy saints at Jerusalem"
Romans 1:7 = "to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints"
Romans 16:15 = "Greet Philologus and Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints who are with them"
I could bore you with more, but I'll just post some references, if you care:
2 Corinthians 1:1,
2 Corinthians 13:13,
2 Corinthians 6:1,
1 Timothy 6:10,
and probably many, many others that I just didn't have the time to look up. =P
So... I think I have sufficiently proven that the burden of proof is on you, O foolish one, to inform me of the "correct" definition of the word "saint," which currently seems to be in contrast to the biblical one.